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And that's all, folks! All author names are now revealed, but you can keep reading, enjoying, and commenting on stories in the archive.

A huge thank you to everyone who signed up, beta read, and pinch hit!

We have reopened both the Fandom 5K collection and Fandom Couch for treats and make-up assignments, and they'll stay open until signups begin next year. Please put all works longer than 5k into the Fandom 5k collection, and works that are not quite 5k into the Fandom Couch collection!

If you defaulted after the no-fault deadline of 1 April but wish to participate in the next round, you'll need to fulfill your original assignment before then. Please drop us an email at fandom5kmod AT gmail when you do. If you're not sure whether this applies to you, please send us an email.

Speaking of--yes, we do plan to run this exchange next year! We welcome your feedback on what went well and what we can improve. You can respond to this survey, leave comments on this post, or send us an email if you'd prefer.

Please note that even if there's general consensus on a suggestion, we may choose not to implement it for a variety of reasons. We will certainly take it into account, though! There are lots of ways you could choose to run an exchange like this. If you're interested in starting up a multifandom longfic exchange of your own, we'd be happy to coordinate schedules and avoid overlap.

We're particularly interested in answers to the following questions:
  1. Were the genre tags generally helpful, counterproductive, or neither?

  2. Was the writing period (about 8 weeks) a good length?

  3. We required requests to specify at least 4 fandoms with 1 character/relationship per fandom, and offers to specify at least 5 fandoms with 1 character/relationship. Would you prefer this or 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for offers?

  4. Would you be interested in offering or requesting art next year? What do you think the equivalent of 5k would be for artwork?

Date: 2017-05-21 06:41 am (UTC)
shopfront: Source: Supergirl. Kara lying back on her couch looking up at someone (Supergirl - actual puppy Kara Danvers)
From: [personal profile] shopfront
Thank you for an awesome exchange, I really enjoyed it!

1. Helpful! My recipient wrote a letter so the tags were all covered there anyway, but even when brainstorming it was useful to be able to double check very quickly that yes this idea is definitely something they'd like and that other idea is maybe less certain. I can see them being an absolute lifesaver if you get a recipient with no letter and sparse optional details, too. That said most recipients I've had in most exchanges tend to include extra details so it also works as a if we can't match we'll disregard tags thing, too, if they caused any difficulties, because then it's still just extra info to consider if you need.

2. I wouldn't object to a little longer but it was a good length. Definitely no shorter I don't think, at least not if you want to entice more people new to writing longer fic.

3. I very very definitely prefer more fandoms with fewer characters. I just had to severely prune my requests and offers for another exchange because if I was really honest I only had one person/pairing I wanted for a bunch of things.

4. Not an artist so not that much help there but I always love to see other mediums as options. Personally vids and fanmixes are more my thing to request (or offer) than art , if you ever consider expanding further I'd throw my hat in the ring for those.

Date: 2017-05-21 07:43 am (UTC)
labellementeuse: a girl sits at a desk in front of a window, chewing a pencil (Default)
From: [personal profile] labellementeuse
Can I just say how well-run this exchange was and how much I enjoyed it.

The writing period was a good length. But I think the two-week period between the deadline and the collection opening was a very smart length and you used it well with pinch hitters - and props, too, to the pinch hitters, who did a great job. I really liked that extended period. I know my story was better because of it and I think it played into the overall high quality of the stories in this exchange.

I was very unsure about the genre tags and I'm not sure to what extent they ended up playing into matching but in the end I really liked them. They gave a good sense of what my recipient wanted tonally and were like very bare bones mini-prompts. It meant that if I didn't fit exactly one of their specific prompts I could reassure myself that I was writing something they'd like in line with their genre tags. I don't know whether that's how they were intended to be used but it was also nice to know what I hopefully wasn't going to match to, and to say no, idk, mundane AUs for this fandom, please, but they're fine for that one.

I'd prefer 4 fandoms, 1 character/relationship to 3 fandoms, 2 characters/relationships. Sometimes I only want one pairing for a fandom - movie fandoms and other one-off fandoms are pretty classic for this kind of thing, for example, and I wouldn't want to have to request gen or a pairing I wasn't really into.

I wouldn't offer or request art.

Thanks for your hard work, I enjoyed this exchange a lot!

Date: 2017-05-21 12:04 pm (UTC)
badass_tiger: Charles Dance as Lord Vetinari (Default)
From: [personal profile] badass_tiger
1. For my assignment, the genre tags ended up not influencing anything because my recipient wrote a very good letter. But I can see them being extremely helpful if I received a recipient who wrote a very sparse letter, or wrote no letter at all, so I like having them.

2. Did I seriously write that much in 8 weeks omg It's a good length of time! Longer might be good if there are people who think it would be better, but definitely not shorter.

3. This year's number of required fandoms+character/relationships is perfect!

4. I wouldn't be interested in offering or even requesting art, to be honest. Also, I know a lot of people who offer art these days offer graphics. I make graphics too and it would have to be quite a number of icons/banners/etc. to equal the amount of effort it takes to write 5000 words.

Date: 2017-05-21 02:15 pm (UTC)
unforgotten: (Default)
From: [personal profile] unforgotten
Thanks for running this exchange! It was a lot of fun, and I really loved my gift. :) I also appreciate you laying out exactly how to approach make-up gifts, as I had been wondering about that.


1. I found them very helpful.

2. I think 8 weeks is just about right. That said, I wonder if the default deadline could perhaps be moved a little closer to the assignment deadline next year? I would have had a much clearer idea of my (in)ability to finish my fic if the default deadline had been 2 weeks ahead of the assignment deadline, instead of being 4 weeks before it.

3. I would definitely prefer 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/requests for offers.

4. If it's allowed next year, I think it should be required to be a comic or tell a story in some other way - though how many panels/pieces it should be, I don't know. I would definitely request art if it were required to tell a story.

Date: 2017-05-21 03:57 pm (UTC)
dirty_diana: old-fashioned typewriter (typewriter)
From: [personal profile] dirty_diana
Having the number of nomination slots be fewer than the number of required offers made it impossible for me to sign up. People did end up requesting things I nominated so I would have had matches, but I simply couldn't fill out the form. (The change suggested in question 3 would have helped, yes.)

Art (comics, or a number of related pieces?) and vids would be cool options to have, imo.

Date: 2017-05-21 08:54 pm (UTC)
fawatson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fawatson
Were the genre tags generally helpful, counterproductive, or neither?

Helpful

Was the writing period (about 8 weeks) a good length?

Yes - definitely no shorter please, not for long-fic

We required requests to specify at least 4 fandoms with 1 character/relationship per fandom, and offers to specify at least 5 fandoms with 1 character/relationship. Would you prefer this or 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for offers?

There is often at least one fandom I want to request where I only want just the one character. But on the other hand, sometimes in small exchanges like this one I struggle to find five fandoms to offer... Hmm.... on balance maybe go with 3 fandoms to request/4 to offer.

Would you be interested in offering or requesting art next year? What do you think the equivalent of 5k would be for artwork?

Where it is possible I sometimes request art but have never received it. I definitely would not offer it. No idea at all what the art equivalent to a 5K story would be.
Edited Date: 2017-05-21 08:55 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-22 12:30 am (UTC)
kemyss: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kemyss
Were the genre tags generally helpful, counterproductive, or neither? They were actually quite helpful for me. I knew how to frame the story I wrote.

Was the writing period (about 8 weeks) a good length?
For me, it went pretty well, though I could see maybe pushing it for up to 12 weeks instead.

We required requests to specify at least 4 fandoms with 1 character/relationship per fandom, and offers to specify at least 5 fandoms with 1 character/relationship. Would you prefer this or 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for offers?
I think the more fandoms/fewer relationships fandom minimum worked well.

Would you be interested in offering or requesting art next year? What do you think the equivalent of 5k would be for artwork?
I might be interested in requesting art next year, but to me, that feels a bit more like a treat. To me, the equivalent of a 5k fic in art would be something fully lined, colored, backgrounded, and maybe even shaded. It's also a bit more difficult to sometimes get tone in for pictures. I could possibly even say maybe at least two pictures or a comic instead
Edited (Spelling, some addition.) Date: 2017-05-22 12:54 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-22 02:20 am (UTC)
argentum_ls: (Default)
From: [personal profile] argentum_ls
Were the genre tags generally helpful, counterproductive, or neither?

They were very helpful to me! My recip didn't provide much info for the fandom we matched on. Likewise, I accidentally wrote a very uneven letter (the combination of life clashing with intentions), and I suspect that genre tags also helped my writer come up with a story.

Was the writing period (about 8 weeks) a good length?

Yes, but I'd like to request the release date get pushed out one more week. Mid-May is finals period at a lot of American universities, which may deter participants from joining (and, personally, made the last few weeks a challenge for me trying to get the story finished while doing end-of-semester grading.)

We required requests to specify at least 4 fandoms with 1 character/relationship per fandom, and offers to specify at least 5 fandoms with 1 character/relationship. Would you prefer this or 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for offers?

The setup this year worked for me, though I did have to give serious consideration to some risky offers to fill out my sign-up form.

Would you be interested in offering or requesting art next year? What do you think the equivalent of 5k would be for artwork?

I would not.

Date: 2017-05-22 03:25 am (UTC)
slashmarks: (Leo)
From: [personal profile] slashmarks
Before I get into feedback, thank you for running the exchange - I had a lot of fun and got a great fic.

1. I personally found them counterproductive, because there were so many it was a hassle to figure out which ones I wanted, they didn't describe my desires very well, and many of them were vague enough that I didn't think they were helpful to deciding what my recipient would like. That said, it wasn't a big issue.

2. The writing period seemed good to me.

3. I'd prefer to stick with the current set up - there were fandoms I was only interested in one character or relationship in, and it might be hard to sign up for enough fandoms if I needed ones where I liked more than one of the nominated characters/relationships.

4. N/A.

I also wanted to comment that I think the makeup assignment should be to fill any request, as in Yuletide, before the next exchange. I suspect a lot of/most people people default because they have issues with the specific assignment, not the timeframe (this is certainly the case in my personal experience) and if that was the problem the current set up basically bans them from the exchange forever. I get the impression that's not what the mods want, given a makeup option is offered at all.

Date: 2017-05-22 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I completely agree with you regarding makeup assignments.

Date: 2017-05-22 10:00 pm (UTC)
shadow_lover: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadow_lover
Thank you both for running this! I had a blast.

1. They were helpful to me.

2. 8 weeks worked for me.

3. I think I'm good with either of those options. Though actually, my ideal might be a combo -- 4 fandoms/1 tag for requests; 4 fandoms/2 tags for offers. I'm more flexible on what I can write within any given fandom, but there are some fandoms where all I really want to receive is my OTP.

4. I wouldn't request or offer art for this exchange.

Date: 2017-05-22 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just to give a different perspective here, I'm more flexible on what I receive, but I feel limited in what I can write.

Date: 2017-05-22 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
1. I thought there were helpful.

2. Yes, it was just fine.

3. If such a change is made, I probably wouldn't participate again. Most of what I request/offer are for for movie fandoms and such that often has just the one ship. So I'd either be forced to add another that I wasn't very interested in, or going the gen route which I wouldn't be interested in either.

5. I'd be interested in receiving art. As for the requirements... Maybe a short comic? Or something that's fully fleshed out with colors and background and so on (unless the recipient specifically requests black-and-white art).

Date: 2017-05-22 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for running this exchange, mods!

1) I found the genre tags unnecessary. I simply wrote a story for my recipient's prompts and used their likes, I barely even looked at the genre tags. They didn't bother me either, but in general I would prefer obligatory optional details to genre tags.

2) I'd prefer a shorter writing period, actually. The two weeks between deadline and reveals very good for pinch-hitters, but they also meant that over two months passed between assignments being sent out and reveals (and I think most participants kept tinkering and working on their fic during those two weeks). I'd prefer having 8 weeks in total between assignments and reveals, so six weeks until the deadline and then two more until reveals.

3) I'm very strongly against requiring two characters/relationship per fandom. I would most likely not participate again if this change was implemented. For most of my fandoms I'm only interested in one character or one ship, and while it's no big deal to offer or request something you're a bit less excited about for a 1k exchange, I definitely wouldn't want to write or read 5k about a character or ship I didn't really want. I would not be able to offer or request many of my favorite fandoms, so this would most likely be a dealbreaker for me.

4) I don't offer or request art, but I definitely wouldn't mind art being allowed if people want it.

Date: 2017-05-22 10:29 pm (UTC)
aurilly: (edmund profile)
From: [personal profile] aurilly
1. The tags are certainly helpful for anyone who doesn't want to write any optional details at all. They also let you tailor your offer to the people requesting your ship that you would be most suited to writing for. They also offer a nice and succinct way of conveying the tones/styles a person likes. So I would keep them, even though I said at the start of my (over-long) letter that I'd prefer my writer not think about them.

2. The writing period was just right! I personally wouldn't want to see it be any longer, as I've found that exchanges with really long writing periods tend to lose momentum and people stop caring. Separately, I loved the two week period between deadline and reveal, so would really enjoy it if you kept that as is, too.

3. I liked it best just the way it is.

4. I would not request or offer art.

Date: 2017-05-22 11:27 pm (UTC)
arysteia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arysteia
I loved this exchange, so thank you for having the initial idea and seeing it through. I definitely intend to come back next year, it'll be a fixture on my calendar if it continues.

1. Were the genre tags generally helpful, counterproductive, or neither?

My recip gave me a great letter so I didn't need the tags, but I think they're a really good backup for the eventuality someone gets no ODs.

2. Was the writing period (about 8 weeks) a good length?

Pretty much just right. I had a crisis at the end that was to do with work-work, but that would have happened regardless of how long the period allowed. I certainly wouldn't want it to be any longer, because my enthusiasm begins to ebb at that point.

May I strongly recommend you shift away from Mother's Day for reveals though? That made it impossible for me to get to my fic in good time, and I know some authors begin to feel anxious if that's the case. As a New Zealander this went double for me because it automatically kicked me into Monday, and then ongoing crises at work held me up till Tuesday. I did use the AFK post, and I know Kiwis are a minority, though there were at least three of us fwiw, but if we could shift to Friday NY/Saturday NZ that'd be grand. If not, just avoiding holidays would do.

3. We required requests to specify at least 4 fandoms with 1 character/relationship per fandom, and offers to specify at least 5 fandoms with 1 character/relationship. Would you prefer this or 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for offers?

I would not be able to participate if we switched. A lot of my fandoms are for movies or small canons that only have one major pairing. I don't mind a 1000 word minimum for gen or a different set of characters, but there's no way I'd want to write 5000+.

4. Would you be interested in offering or requesting art next year? What do you think the equivalent of 5k would be for artwork?

I couldn't offer, and would be unlikely to request. One thing I would consider requesting would be a set of comics/several linked pieces that told a story, rather than a single piece.

ETA: I did want to make one more comment.

I think it's great that there is a readmission requirement for defaulters, but I personally think it should be to complete any outstanding request from the previous year, rather than the defaulter's specific assignment.

Leaving flaky behaviour to the side, most people default either because of time pressure/intervening events, which makes completing their assignment easy enough, or because there was something in the assignment itself that just didn't work for them.

If there was something in the assigned recip's ODs that was within the bounds of the exchange but nonetheless made completing a fic for them (a 5000 word one, not a 1000 word one) difficult or impossible then I think it's unduly harsh to effectively ban that writer permanently. I would be happy to see them make a good faith return by writing any prompt that was not fulfilled in the exchange the year they defaulted as a makeup assignment.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for considering it. :D
Edited Date: 2017-05-22 11:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-22 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
1. I liked them, found them helpful!
2. Wouldn't want it to be shorter.
3. Either works for me as I am easy and love 1,000,000 things.
4. I couldn't offer it, but of course I'd love to get it. I think art for a challenge like this seems like a tall order, though? It would need to be pretty polished or detailed or a long, sequential art type piece? I'd personally defer to a selection of visual arty type people to pin down exactly what would count (and I feel like you'd always get the person who's going to complain that they didn't think their art gift was equivalent or whatever).

I really enjoyed the exchange this year, looking forward to it next year :) Mostly just came hereto say that, and to echo what other people are saying about the price of readmission being a 5k piece filling someone's request (not your own), not specifically the person you were originally assigned.

Date: 2017-05-23 01:20 am (UTC)
unforgotten: (Default)
From: [personal profile] unforgotten
I've seen a few comments about makeup assignments, and wanted to put my two cents in...

As someone who is going to have to fulfill my assignment to participate next year, I don't have an issue with that requirement. Anyone who flat-out knew they wouldn't be able to finish their assignment could have defaulted before April 1 with no penalty; anyone who defaulted after that was someone who was theoretically into their assignment, and was hampered by circumstance. (That was the case for me, anyway!)

I also got the impression that the ban was for next year's round, not necessarily every subsequent round? So if I didn't complete my assignment by next year, I'd be banned for 2018, then allowed to participate again starting in 2019. But I could be interpreting it wrong too, idk; I think that could definitely use clarification.

Date: 2017-05-23 07:46 am (UTC)
sirvalkyrie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sirvalkyrie
Were the genre tags generally helpful, counterproductive, or neither?

Helpful, both as a writer and a requester. I often struggle on coming up with optional details so it was nice to have an easy option to convey what I like.

Was the writing period (about 8 weeks) a good length?

It was fine with me.

We required requests to specify at least 4 fandoms with 1 character/relationship per fandom, and offers to specify at least 5 fandoms with 1 character/relationship. Would you prefer this or 3 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for requests, 4 fandoms with 2 characters/relationships for offers?

I'd be fine with either option.

Would you be interested in offering or requesting art next year? What do you think the equivalent of 5k would be for artwork?

I love getting fanart so that would be amazing to add. I think it would have to be a highly polished piece, multiple pieces, or a comic. Maybe find a group of artists to ask their opinion?

Date: 2017-05-23 12:23 pm (UTC)
orcofnewyork: (Default)
From: [personal profile] orcofnewyork
I really enjoyed this exchange, thank you to the mods and all the participants who made it such a joy!

1. Yes, I found them useful both during signup and afterward. While I was lucky my recipient wrote a nicely detailed letter, I've done exchanges where I had no idea what the recipient wanted (no letter, no indication of interests) and those times have been stressful. These tags are good for people who don't write/receive optional detail letters as well as for narrowing down what you really want for an exchange during signups.

2. The writing time was fine length wise, but maybe the timing should be moved around? Most of my North American and European friends that are students or teachers had final exams and spring vacations around this time which cut down on people willing to sign-up as well as people who had time to beta-read.

3. I liked this year's requests format, I think the other way might be a little harder to wrangle as some people only would want to request one character/relationship for some fandoms.

4. I'm more into writing exchanges than art exchanges so I'd be unlikely to request art and unable to offer art.

Date: 2017-05-23 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weakinteraction
Thanks for running this, it was great fun!

1. Requests being visible was the most important thing for me, but they weren't unhelpful. The Smut tag was nice as a way of knowing that people were open to that (even if I failed at writing it in this instance).

2. I wouldn't want it to be any shorter, though for me it's more about having time for thorough canon review than anything else.

3. I definitely have fandoms where there's only one main thing I'm interested in. And conversely, in exchanges with rules like that I always worry if I add things during nominations to a fandom with only one tag, that I'm ruining someone else having set themselves up to be able to request/offer just that.

4. I can't art to save my life but I would request it. I can't work out how to define 5k-equivalent of art reliably, though. A (large) total pixel size? Which could either be made up of several pages of a comic, some linked pieces, or an enormous detailed map or something. (Like those xkcd comics that you click through to the larger version of.) Star Wars Rares had 500k pixels and Worldbuildingex 400k as equivalents of 1000 words. So two or two and a half million pixels?

Date: 2017-05-23 06:56 pm (UTC)
galfridian: (Default)
From: [personal profile] galfridian
1. The tags didn't affect me. I matched on tags you might expect for the fandom(s)/relationship(s) (more general/generic tags), and my recipient's letter/optional details were great, so I didn't need those tags. But I can see where having them would be a great benefit to those whose recipients don't leave optional details or letters.

2. I think it was good. I definitely wouldn't do less.

3. I like it as it is. I'm more likely to have 4 fandoms I'd like to receive fic for than 2 pairings for a particular pairing that I care about equally.

4. I wouldn't offer or request it, but I wouldn't mind if it was an option. Edit: I'll add that while I'm no artist, I agree with the commenter above me. I think the most straightforward approach would be to find a good standard for a 1k exchange and expect the equivalent of 5 of that thing.
Edited (modify answer #4.) Date: 2017-05-23 06:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-24 04:55 am (UTC)
plaid_slytherin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] plaid_slytherin
1. I definitely like the idea of having the tags as a guideline for when there aren't optional details (although I didn't need them this time). They also helped me as a guideline in writing my own letter.

2. The writing period was fine. I really appreciated the two-week period after the due date for edits but that could have just been the way my schedule worked out.

3. I definitely prefer the current fandom/pairing ratio. There are a lot of fandoms where I only have one ship and I'd have to revisit my requests/offers if it was changed.

4. I wouldn't request or offer art.
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